romulan warbird vs galaxy class

I agree. Even patronizing people can be friendly. Germans were better but so precisely engineered and expensive to produce that the mass produced Shermans eventually overran them. Well, I think it's reasonable to believe that they would think of themselves as superior, but that doesn't mean that being genuinely friendly is off the table. [–]Zhaobowen 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child). [–]General_FearChief Petty Officer 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children). Your point about the Klingons is a good one, but the Federation is bound by the Khitomer Accords for most of the combined series. Every week Daystrom members nominate and vote on quality contributions. Similarly, the thought put into the Gustav 80cm was nil and reflected the deep nazi misunderstanding of logistics and the air game. I am not saying it would be an easy win for a Galaxy class at all, just that I get the impression the Romulan Warbirds are overall inferior technologically speaking (not just talking shields and weapons, but all technology) to the Galaxy class ships and newer. That's gold. We know from 'Tin Man' that the Galaxy is faster, and has sensors that don't infrequently penetrate Romulan cloaks, which together suggest that Starfleet gets to choose where and when to fight- a not inconsiderable advantage. The Romulans are in no way less developed than the Federation. I think you are right upon further reconsideration. So perhaps that's what they used any species that they conquered for as their slaves. your overall quality point only applies to the Russians as Brits and Americans had American production but the expert engineering you attribute to germans actually is best exemplified by Russians. In other words while they have the technology and willpower to militarily compete with the other 2 great powers of the Apha quadrant they simply lack the numbers. Unfortunately, we don't have much on whether the Romulans are expansionist or not, but I kind of doubt it. So I do like your point. Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by kgartm1185, Aug 8, 2013. That we have no real evidence of, but I'm kinda doubting it. I'm not sure I'd characterize the Federation's relationship with Cardassia as diplomatic (at least not in DS9; in TNG, we see a rudimentary effort towards that) so much as adversarial. In the late 24th Century, the I.R.W. Some elements of the younger generation want peaceful reconciliation. The power source is an artificial quantum singularity. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Because the Federation doesn't care nearly as much about this as the Romulans do, and that sort of coverup is antithetical to their cultural values and risks damaging their reputation as honest diplomats. – Jean-Luc Picard, Stardate 2364 ("Symbiosis"), [–]butterhoscotchCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children), [–]stratusmonkeyCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child). [–]nagumiCrewman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children), [–]voicesinmyhandChief Petty Officer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child), [–]nagumiCrewman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children), [–]biffpowCrewman 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (10 children). Where are you getting this assumption from? These ranks are not meant for role-playing. It can reach high warp speeds, and is equipped with disruptor cannons and a cloacking device. Both Enterprise and TNG's Unification indicate that the Romulans also have some designs on their Vulcan cousins. This poll will close on Apr 17, 2027 at 9:34 PM. [–]williams_482Chief Engineer 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children). The same can be said for Nero in the reboot: He's a Romulan with a big ship and a grudge, but he's not acting for Romulus. Literally. That does strike me as a propaganda victory over the Federation than them actually wanting to take him in, though. Furthermore, in their reappearence in TNG the romulan captain stated that they'd been inactive along the federation boarder due to having to deal with troubles elsewhere. As long as they solidly feel that you (as an individual or as an organization) are genuinely harmless or hardcore committed to them they're probably genuinely friendly. This is what I've wondered about the Klingons, I think the star charts book is canon and shows a huge territory for them, but you would think the Federation wouldn't be as cosy with a power that undoubtedly enslaves whole planets of people? If the Federation hadn't had any contact with the Romulans for decades before the first season of Next Gen, I have no idea how the guy defected in the first place, or how they knew that he had defected once he did so. I tend to prefer the novel continuity on that too, and have always imagined the Romulans viewing the Remans in the same way the British view the Welsh. The Romulans are a bit xenophobic and never obvious in their intentions, so it's hard to know what their end-goal is. Either way, you're right: We don't see them actually trying to start a war very often, and Shinzon was absolutely carrying out a personal grudge for his own reasons. We see them being belligerent all the time, but they rarely take outright steps to initiate full scale war. Though equipped with numerous weapons and housing a contingent of Scorpion Fighters, the original Scimitar’s key feature was the ability to utilize thalaron radiation as a terrifying weapon. It's probably pretty far down the list. If they have even a quarter of the territory the Federation does, there's a lot more races and species in that empire than Romulans. Romulan ethics aside, why exterminate perfectly good potential servitor species? That the Warbird can cause so much damage to a Galaxy in such short order would most likely come from a forward weapon biass. further, your point about numbers, while valid, ignores doctrine. I don't think they'd engage in preemptive genocide. One of those things you have to do a bit of hand-waving for, I suppose. The thing about a combat situation is that neither side really knows who is going to win as long as the combatants are on loosely even footing. prime directive, even if the romulans were slaughtering their people starfleet could justify not interfering if they wanted to. We see an example in another episode where a human had expatriated to Romulus. In Korea, the MiG-15 and the F-86 were remarkably similar in aerodynamic peformance, but (so the legend goes) the air conditioner of the F-86 was superior at keeping the canopy defogged in a dive, creating windows in dogfights where the MiG was effectively blind. Shallow content such as memes, gifs, image macros, links without context, and jokes are not permitted in this subreddit and will be removed. Shakespeare’s Hamlet is a comedy in Klingon culture, Garak never rejoined Tain; an examination of Garak’s true motivations in “Improbable Cause” and “The Die Is Cast.”. The links for nominating and voting are in a banner at the top of the subreddit, along with the current Post of the Week and links to nominate and vote. Further evidence is shown in the total firepower output per unit time of a Galaxy class, which is immensely superior to that of a Warbird. In the fictional universe of Star Trek, the Prime Directive is the guiding principle of the United Federation of Planets. On the other hand a Sovereign has more then three times the forward firepower of a Galaxy as well as superior shields and armor. Looking for more sci-fi discussion subreddits? Hmmm, but in that case why would the Federation allow any confirmation to take place? Some particularly friendly species may have something close to full citizenship, while others may simply be archeological remnants on the world(s) they occupied. No insults, personal attacks, or general rudeness in the Daystrom Institute. The D'deridex-class Warbirds has been at the forefront of Romulan contact with other species, and vessels of this class acted as battleships during the Dominion War. The Warbird is rated at aproximately equal to the Galaxy class in terms of firepower. I've watched the same footage and I don't see Disruptor shots being twice as powerful as Type X phasers. Conquered people don't generally stay conquered unless they have a real fear of reprisal for rebellion. Federation has several hundred member planets, Romulus seems to have 1 or 2. Spock wasn't allowed to do his work. We see an example in another episode where a human had expatriated to Romulus. Scimitar was developed covertly by a group of Remans under the command of Praetor Shinzon, a clone of Jean-Luc Picard. 4 German Tiger tanks were uniformly able to whip an American Sherman tank, but the slightly older design of the Sherman meant that it was stable and easy to license for vast production and service in the field. As conflicts between the Federation and the Romulan Empire diminished, the Dhelan class remained in the prototype stage… You start by becoming a Crewman and selecting your division by clicking the 'edit flair' link in the sidebar. The Romulans seem generally insular and very much see themselves as a superior species. Which seems like the kind of thing the Federation would make an issue of. Of course, we also run into a timeline quandary there. [–]Mirror_SybokChief Petty Officer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children). But it won't do much against 1000 Mirandas swarming them. [–]fearsomehandof4 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children). Interesting thought, though the OP is making the (arguable) presumption that Romulus wants to take over the Federation. Could just be volume. A real defector, though, who's got family and history that can be verified on the other side of the line? (self.DaystromInstitute), [–]god_dammit_daxCrewman 64 points65 points66 points 4 years ago (31 children). We actually don't have much screen canon to tell us what life for most Romulans and non-Romulans is really like. After initially encountering the D'deridex class warbird, the Federation speculated that it was at least as powerful as a Galaxy class and feared it was more powerful. hell they split hairs to stay out of their ALLIES civil war. [–]butterhoscotchCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children). Many of the conflicts we see in TNG with the Romulans are related to the neutral zone, suggesting that they're interested in defending their borders more than expanding them. This is a Star Trek discussion subreddit, so please be mindful of straying too far from the topic at hand. The Galaxy is a "multi-mission explorer" while the D'deridex is pretty much a straight warship from everything I've seen on TV. It may be bigger, but slower and few weapons. 3) Let's not forget that, unlike the Federation, the Romulans are an Empire. Hmmm, but in that case why would the Federation allow any confirmation to take place? I feel as though they'd view capturing territory as more trouble than it would be worth in the end. Re: Sovereign class vs Galaxy class vs D'Deridex class Post by Mike DiCenso » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:14 pm That I think depends on if we are talking an early model Galaxy-class starship, or one of the kick-ass Dominion War Galaxy class. The D’Deridex Class Warbird was nearly twice the length of the Starfleet’s Galaxy Class but had a warp drive that was not as good or as efficient as Starfleet vessels of the time. In other words the Romulans postulate kinda like an Owl or other Birds of Prey wanting to make sure they seem bigger than they are. I think the Romulan's would be the type of race to just genocide any existing races in the territory they claim as their own leaving only Romulan's in the territory. They may not want too much from their neighbors they don't already have. I'm trying to think of an affiliation in Trek that doesn't befriend, conquer, or eradicate people, the best I can come up with is the Ferengi. [–]Mirror_SybokChief Petty Officer 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (6 children). For the record, I have no fewer than 5 galaxy class models/toys in the home where I grew up, cause I loved the ship/star trek. Although the exact definition of "crippled" there seems to be 70% loss of combat shields; otherwise, the ship seems operational, but Picard dare not confront the Romulans without the shields. I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. defintion does seem to support my statement, [–]biffpowCrewman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child), "The Prime Directive is not just a set of rules; it is a philosophy... and a very correct one. Speaking of which, by your definition of Empire (not that I'm disagreeing with it), the Federation would be even more of an Empire. 1 Intrepid vs 2 D'deridex . The D'deridex-class Romulan warbird: Star Trek's not-so-jolly green giant. What happened after Voyager left? It would take some pretty terrible behavior by the Klingons before the Federation would do anything to jeopardize the treaty that essentially keeps the Alpha Quadrant (relatively) safe. Is the Romulan economy twice is big? Maybe they win, maybe they don't, but either way it would be a very messy, very bloody business, and that's just not the Romulans' style. Even if there was a perfectly sincere interest on the part of Romulans in reunifying with Vulcan on terms of equality, this would have serious implications. Shakespeare's Falstaff is the most terrifying villain in Klingon theatre. If a romulan warbird is twice the power of a galaxy starship, why isn't the federation doomed, or at least struggling to hold back a romulan takeover? Hmmmm. The Galas-class Surveillance Explorer Warbird is a Tier 6 Warbird Science Vessel which may be flown by Romulan Republic characters, as well as characters of any other faction.The faction restrictions of this starship can be removed by having a level 65 KDF character or by purchasing the Cross Faction Flying unlock from the Zen Store.This starship can be used from any level upon … Maybe they don't get produced in sufficient numbers. :) I do eagerly await your sources. It takes more than raw firepower to determine the outcome. How easy is that fancy artificial singularity warp core to refuel? Maybe one side has a 70-30 edge, but that hypothetical 30% chance of you and your crew being blasted to atoms and strewn across space is still more than enough to make you reconsider going in guns blazing over a minor border dispute. The ship is twice as long as a Federation Galaxy class, with an advantage in fire power, but a lower maximum speed. The Bajorans don't try to do any of those things, but again, not an empire. [–]SlipcasedJayce 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children). edit- Thank you for the comments. [–]TotesMessenger 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children). The Caretaker and the Ocampa. This has significant implications for Star Trek Prodigy. The Galaxy class starship has 100% weapons coverage in the form of phasers and photon torpedoes (65 megaton anti matter bombs), and is capable of launching in its non separated state 20 independently targetable photon torpedoes simultaneously (10 per tube), … Maybe their emphasis on some combat quality comes at the expense of others and leaves them vulnerable to an ingenious opponent, or conceals milder, but ultimately critical technical shortcomings. This gives the D'deridex a marked advantage against the Federation's Galaxy class. [–]fearsomehandof4 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children). [–]Mazakaki 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (1 child). Scrub records and convince those in the know that it would be bad for morale to speak of it. Perhaps their goal is to manipulate from the shadows. Shields? Decent point, but even if he took it by force, he was still the titular head of the Romulan Empire at that point, which is why I included it. Do not subscribe to this subreddit if you are avoiding spoilers. The class was designed to be larger than any Federation or Klingon starship of the time. [–]god_dammit_daxCrewman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children). More numerous, but smaller, lighter armour, cheaper and less powerful. This is why two of them are a easy win against a galaxy, but a few lesser escorts wrecks their combat math; their strength is all focused, and forcing them to fight on multiple fronts at once would make it difficult for them to carry out their preferred tactics. (The Art of Star Trek, p. 83) On his design, Probert later remarked: Experimenting with the vertical design concept, Probert further elaborated on his design process, "I didn't have any information except that the Romulans were coming back and that we had never see… We expect all contributions in the Daystrom Institute to be thoughtful and constructive. What are the risks associated with transporting during the first trimester of human pregnancy? I should've clarified. Was the Cardassian Union peaceful, possibly even neutral, before the 24th century? Sure they may have a couple hundred Battleships and the like but when its put black on white, its possible that the Klingons could defeat them IF they knew how many troops and ships they actually have. If a state wanted to join the Federation and had these kind of subjects, they'd obviously be denied. The lesson being that sometimes you run. and join one of thousands of communities. The fact that there were no grand revolts after the Tal Shiar got obliterated means that they don't just rule through fear of violence but that those within the Empire have accepted their lives, are content and don't want to risk everything to get out, a middleground between the Federation and the Klingon Empire perhaps. Don't accuse others of trolling because you had a disagreement. not to be a stick in your craw, but the nazis didn't precisely engineer anything but the Gerry can. It would take some pretty terrible behavior by the Klingons before the Federation would do anything to jeopardize the treaty that essentially keeps the Alpha Quadrant (relatively) safe. I prefer the novel continuity, where they're another offshoot of Vulcans, adapted to the harsh conditions of Remus, but there's no canon on exactly where they come from. Regardless of the variable size shown on screen, this illustrates the original intent in terms of relative size of the two ships. [–]queenofmoonsCommander 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children). Secondly, you should realize that warbird is a general term for Romulan combat ships. Shermans were more than a match for the p4 and usually the p5. C $53.32. they noticed their tanks only lasted so long once they reached the front due to combat, so they cut costs by using materials that would work as well but for a shorter time, saving on the cost of the tank. There would be no honor in peaceful coexistence when you're a race of warriors. Tactics? [–]tanithryudo 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children). While it has strong weapons and is almost bigger than a Galaxy class, it is also hollow. During the DW we see dozens and dozens of ships destroyed, but there are always more to be had. [–]god_dammit_daxCrewman 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children). ... showing that the Romulans' new ship was over twice the size of a Galaxy-class starship. using knowledge of life cycle to improve price to performance is great engineering. selecting your division by clicking the 'edit flair' link in the sidebar. They expand by influence, not by conquest, and considering the on-screen evidence we have of a galaxy full of life, if the Romulan Empire is any size at all, there's tons of Aliens in their space. [–]Darth_Rasputin32898Lieutenant Commander 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children). Is it ever explained or implied why the Prophets would encourage Kai Opaka to permanently maroon herself on a Gamma penal colony? Historically, having the biggest, meanest warships has routinely been the mark of the losing side. But we don't know if they're looking to conquer, explore, or maintain the status quo. Drastically heavier than the T'liss-class Light Warbird and Dhelan-class Warbird, the D'deridex class is significantly more resilient and carries firepower comparable to a Starfleet's Galaxy-classstarship. The rank structure in Star Fleet is a reasonable extrapolation of the evolution of the Western military tradition. As such they are not a big threat to the Federation, they could do damage but they are by far more vulnerable than Starfleet or the Klingon Empire. Just found this again on my Flickr page. They do it in Balance of Terror and Nemesis, but most of the time they're trying to do things on the sneak. On the other hand if they feel like there's any chance that you can do anything other than minor harm the best you can hope for is a chilly arms-length relationship. [–]nateinks 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (7 children). The uncloaking of a warbird of this type in 2364, during an encounter with the USS Enterprise-D on the edge of the Neutral Zone, signaled the end to fifty-three years of Romulan isolation.

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